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Out-of-Placers
A story of inconvenient changes
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Ok kass grab a stab end fuck shit up
Green eyes looks stoned as hell
All of them are pretty much born stoned as hell, check kass’s description shortly after transformation or the story on art & extras
He kinda looks like Ban from Seven Deadly Sins. He might actually be the dangerous one.
and red eyes looks like he’s on acid.
I want a gif of Elim smacking scavs like Sauron in the beginning of Lord of the Rings.
Weapons are cast; the female ignored. This is Kass’ chance. You are fated to slay these buffoons.
You do you, red eyes
Time for these idiots to die!
Time for these morons to realize millitary training isn’t a fucking joke.
Kass and Elim==> Fuck shit up.
I don’t get why is everyone here makes such a big deal of Elim’s and Kass participation in war.
I mean it’s a big deal for them on personal level, but it was never stated that they are even remotely well-trained. Given the circumstances (mass conscription at the point the war was already thought to be lost) it is possible that they had literally no training (not even 48-hour induction). Even if it was not so dire their training is unlikely to be up to standards of peacetime army.
While they may have acquired sufficient experience later (during the war, during their escape from Dinnlan and finally in Ivenmoth service) it is far from guaranteed. While in prologue they are conveying the travelers it is not clear how much of a security they are supposed to provide. In fact doing split job of a guard and a teamster seems to say they are not not ones of the Ivenmoth’s finest. Historically manservants were expected to provide protection as necessary but it does not meant they were good at it. And a lot of things in prologue (“general recruit” position, Kass bitching about being “grunts” and so on) seems to indicate that they were treated by the Ivenmoth as all-purpose dumb muscle instead of dedicated guards.
I think people here translate their expectations of a “military” to the setting without accounting for differences between conscripts vs professional volunteers and more importantly without accounting for technological differences. Any healthy adult can take a stick and swing it, while modern military routinely operates in conditions where you can’t even see enemy without special equipment much less attack. While Val Salia lies between these extremes it’s somewhat closer to sticks.
#Gwytherin
True, they were drafted in and are treated like grunt but :
1: Ivenmoth treats them like expendables because of their refugee’s status, they work in exchange for housing and protection for their people, thus, don’t get much consideration compared to PROPER volonteers…
2 : At that very same begining, they were (attempted) ambushed by 2 highwaymen… That they commented having ALREADY beaten up on their previous encounter. Anyone who can beat up ambushers without sustaining serious injury can deal with a handfull of scav’ ;7
Oh I do not doubt that Elim is a big deal for yinglets but that’s because any healthy adult with any weapon is a big deal for yinglets. I was talking about how people repeatedly talk about Kass and Elim “being military” or “they was in the army” which to me looks like they apply ideas from different time and place to them.
2. It is not clear how that first “ambush attempt” has developed. When I first read it I supposed that it was by the same scenario as the one we’ve seen: before things come to blows highwaymen recognized them as Ivenmoth and decided it is not worth the risk (not even necessary because they are afraid of two Ivenmoth guards but because Ivenmoth has many more guards to dispatch if necessary). Nowhere it is mentioned that they “fought off” an ambush.
1. It seems to me that they are recruited (formally) on the same basis as non-refugees (e.g. general recruit Tammisman). They are treated as members of the house and have the privilege to vouch for potential recruits (Isher, Yannit). While they are at the bottom of the pecking order it has more to do with the fact that they have not demonstrated enough merit to be promoted. Meanwhile some other refugees are not members of the house but simply someone who receive the dole.
You are correct. But remember. House ivenmoth issues the red coats. For the purposes that armour is fucking EXPENSIVE. It costs a fuck ton. You don’t waste armour on grunts.
Back in the war flash back? Kass and Elim where wearing heavy armour. That is not the kind of thing that a random soldier would get. That’d be about a heavy coat for armour and given a spear. Kass and Elim were kitted out like KNIGHTS. The rank and file don’t get heavy armour and training with maces and flails.
The armor is weird and badly designed. World of Val: “The type Elim’s wearing there was hurriedly mass-produced in the short period of time that Dinnlan had between recognizing that Beletam aimed to annex their country, and the first (and last) desperate attempt to stop their advance” so it kinda supposed to be weird and badly designed. Dinnlan had good iron but plate is pretty labor-intensive so presumably shortcuts have been made. They are rank and file.
And historically there was examples of plate issued to literally every soldier, so-called “munition plate” Of course it was first produced around 1600 and this world is supposed to be 1400 if not 1300 technologically but this is not the weirdest discrepancy or artistic liberty taken.
It’s also quite possible that they were wearing Dead Men’s Armor, that what they had was scavenged piece by piece on the battlefield.
Also a nation high in industry but low in millitary know-how, utilizing an emergency draft, may decide to train irregulars, which is the term typically for a group of mixed arms infantry or cavalry I think. The uncertainty of the armaments makes them less rigid than a pike line or such, but, more difficult to press without cohesion in your ranks.
Clearly they werent good generals and poorly prepared. But that doesn’t make these two buddies second rate. They are demonstrated as sufficient. They are hinted to be crafty. That’s all I need.
If it was heavy armor, or if he had any on beneath, he would not currently be run through. Stiff fabric is just stiff. Not protective, secretive.
Gwytherin, your original question was interesting, but I was referencing their competence as seen in the first few pages. They already beat the tuff out of those guys, so they didn’t want to try. Whatever training Ivenmoth has, Kass and Elim found their crash course actually while Elim was injured, then recovering on the run. Good soldiering is, yes, about the competence behind your chosen weapon, but also wisdom in when to advance, when to wait, when to retreat. Their latter part of their journey into Val Salia is what gives them an edge….
…. over YINGLETS. Yes, even a group of semi-wizened toughs.
At least they survived this war and flight after it being ordinary soldiers with no good armor and weapons. That’s more than nothing.
I zhink zhe sopretty lady will scream Zhen all ze yniglets will protect zhe sopretty lady
yea, he makes playing in the post like art. everyone likes the fast break but he
made playing iin the trenches very appealing.
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How do you report a comment as spam in this system? >:/
No clue, we get them occasionally. They’re like roaches, they pop out after disappearing for weeks :/
Hmm, interesting to note that yinglets can grasp things with their feet as well.
Why do the boss and kass look so much alike
Note that the colour of the fur is supposed to be “default” yinglet, in fact in any palausible species 80+ percents of population would probably end up being that colour. Brown hair is supposedly not that rare either. Default (ungroomed) hairstyle for both. Plus red clothes which are rare enough but only Brakka chose them – Kass uses the uniform. In short they both are average enough that it is entirely plausiblye to be simple coincidence in-universe.
Now from out-of-universe perspective someone suggested that it may be done deliberately, to use Brakka as a foil, and given how he differs from the earliest designs that may be true; but we do not have word of Val one way or the other.
If i pay for the patreon monthly, can i see page updates before they’re published?
I am not officially affiliated with anyone but Val does not do early access. Instead he gives access to patreon-only content and for higher tiers right to determine that content.
Completely off the wall question for valsalia. If dragons were to exist in this world, how would they be diffrent from standard dragons in most english storys? You have such great world building im curious what you would do to them.
all members of this gang seem to be the genetic failures red eyes has a double pupil and is crazy yellow eyes has fucked up teeth you even see one punching sideways through his skin two pages back makes me wonder whats up with tall green eyed dude
I’d say he’s retarded… I mean as a genetic condition, not an insult !
… Which, by Yinglet standards, is quite the achievement !
You mean green-eyes? He seems like the most intelligent of the group, besides Brakka.
Maybe he has a eye-tongue or something effecting his speech, he hasn’t spoken at all this whole time. He has been tracking the conversations and focusing really well so I doubt it’s mental retardation.
He might have spoken on the last panel of page 87 with the line “shut it, female. Don’t struggle.” The speech bubble isn’t clear if it’s pointing to the brown one or the white one, but on that page all of kass’ speech bubbles are connected and the brown one already has a bubble that isn’t connected to the other bubble, so it’s probably the white one talking there.
I’m guessing the Brakka has two higher functioning yinglets (the brown one who got thwacked by Elim and the white one) with him who might have gotten kicked out for some behavioral reasons. Thugs, basically.
I’ve been running off the assumption it was the white one who spoke there, yeah. The brown one speaks much less formally, (e.g. “ya know zat guy what ya shanked”) while “Shut it, female, don’t struggle” is more down-to-business, and green-eyes does have his mouth open.
Most likely the white one just hasn’t spoken because there’s no reason for him to speak. Patriarchs Narklet and Beizel also don’t speak without purpose, and they’re two of the most intelligent yinglets we’ve met.
Green eyes is the one that told Kass to shut it. I don’t think he is retarded. Just maybe more of a lone soal. He doesn’t seem to want to interact with the other. He doesn’t seem as hyper or flighty of thought as well. He’s defiantly different.
soal, defiantly?
*definitely different
It is spelled DE Fi NI TE LY.
He could be defiantly different. An individualist, so to speak.
Thonks 4 da hilp spiliin nutzi. LoL
Yeah. My spelling is atrocious.
I definitely meant defiantly different.
You just made the exact same mistake again!
Yes. I. Did.
Speaking in their language for you EldraDyne. Clearly you assumed because it wasnt perfect diction they meant something else. Wrong! It was accurate if awkward. Completely correct! Language is alive! You cannot beat it into submission! It will DEVOUR youuu!
(Stahp. This is not about the comic.)
I think Green-Eyes problem is that he’s TOO competent alone. Whatcha think, lethal tall yinglet?
Couldn’t agree more.
Is there a set interval between page release dates?
Unfortunately, no. One of Val’s long-term goals is to be able to do two pages per week, but he hasn’t yet been able to accomplish that. For now, we’re fortunate if we get an average of one page per week (and sometimes not even that).
It’s been just about 19 days now, so that’s why I asked
Is worth the wait. Do as I do, and when you need more, go back and reread from the start. Just, make sure you have time cause going to bed at 2am is not good for the next day at work. hee hee.
Man, I’m already through for the ninth time…. gah! If only I had da moniez to throw at this! Need to get through school pronto!
Something to be said of the hint of something Ran said, about an individual yinglet’s survival instinct being only on par with a cow’s or on a lesser scale than the ant but in the same direction. Kass has clearly not processed what happened just now, in concern for Elim, and I would bet a lot, because I don’t believe in luck, that Kass will grab the stab that Hate It guy dropped apparently.
Also I would not be surprised if Kass told Vizlet that there’s no way in hell that they’ll shave his shelltooth, he’s a warrior, that’s that, after getting a bit of practice in here he can truly get used to his new body, learn something from the techniques of his yinglet foes.
Well… He DID just learn how to punch with zese handz ;7
Seems to me could go 3 ways: 1: Elim isn’t alone. The Yinglets are captured or killed leaving our heroes alive and well. 2: Elim is alone. Kass will re-open negociations, reminding the Yinglets that Elim IS a true friend to her, and if negociations fail, then the Female scream, which could backfire on Elim if it provokes a killing rage against non-yinglets. 3: Elim is alone, the yinglets overcome Elim, and Kass offers in trade herself as their Matriarch and the protection of house Ivemoth if they don’t kill him.
Not related, but Yinglets would make incredible sailors. Seeing they evolved to live in salt marshes, they most likely can drink sea water. That’s a huge thing for sail era sailors, and the cause of many a “Ghost Ship” when the freshwater ran out. Yinglets would make much longer journeys possible.
Also not related, hope when Matriarch Kass has kids, they have a Baxxid as teacher for the new yinglets. Seems like the Baxxid want in the good graces of House Ivenmoth, but without a way to repay them for favors done.
Most likely he would sent the kids who woke him for help from the other guards before going after Kass, and they would probably oblige him since the citizens are on good terms with the House. Yinglets are supposed to be hard to catch as a lubed pig, so I doubt they’ll manage to capture them all and tie up loose ends just yet.
Then, also, Kass seems to be eying up Brakka’s jugular in panel 2 of the last strip.
Thinking along the lines of Kass being trailed by some of Vizlet’s people, who have more than a casual interest in Kass’s welfare. But seems like a lot has gone into Brakka’s character development, which would make it likely he’s going to be a recurring character. I kinda hope he’ll end up with Kass at Ivenmoth, but like telling the sex of a Baxxid by sight alone, only the ones involved know for sure.
That white one with the green eyes appears to be rather tall and has a larger frame for a Yinglet. I wonder why they’re not using him for breeding purposes. I guess height isn’t really that important to them.
Patriarch Poak is enormous, but he still doesn’t look like he could stand up to, say, a dog, or a human. Mobility is probably more important. Besides, the white one’s running with Brakka. He’s either an exile or an exile-by-association.
Or he might be the Yinglet equivalence of a sociopath. He does seem to lack emotion.
The guy doesn’t speak for fifteen minutes and y’all are diagnosing him with disabilities and mental illnesses. Let the boy be.
I imagine he’s automatically disqualified on account of associating with Brakka. I think breeding males do go outside though, so I’m not sure what actually indicates that he’s not being used for breeding purposes.
Or whatever
It’s reasonable to assume if there’s not an obvious defect, it’s a behavioral related exile. Any combination or singularly sufficient instance of lazy, dangerously stupid, works poorly with others, or mean are the most likely to be common, but at the moment I was just wondering if he was the Reverse Ninja of this bunch. I mean the dangerous part of a yinglet is it’s speed and agility, so… a longer stride on him, really he is sopretty a manlet so, he must be a really bad boy for them not to accept it just to look at him.
My headcanon so far, that green eyes is a… wall bouncer.
25 days?!
There is something on the patreon that say he is working on a two page update.
Oh that can’t be good…
eeehehehe
i will be so patient, now. I’ll even read the prelude again.
And with this, the species will finally cross a line that has never been crossed before. A Yinglet killing a Yinglet. It may be accidental, but it will shake the foundations of their society.
Re-read “Yinglets Revealed”. “Incredibly rare to see one attack another with the intent to injure or kill”. Icreadibly rare means not unheard of. Also The Best One “conquered the entirety of yinglet tribes in the Southern Grasslands”. I find conquering without at least a little killing incredibly hard to imagine.
Many reactions I’ve read tend to blow things said in the comic out of proportion. Either yinglets are absolutely useless, or they are intuitive alchemists, either they are defenseless, or can easily kill anyone if there are enough to form a spear circle, either Kass is stupid yinglet bitch or a professional soldier, when that comic so far was focused on nuances and gray tones (even yinglets itself is an attempt to saddle the race with typical characteristics of comic relief and then seriously explore how they will end up).
Makes me wonder what the Governing body of the Yinglet enclaves actually uses as a threat to change the behavior of the individual enclaves. Yes they placed a spy in the Val Salia Enclave, and apparently has some power, but on what basis? So far its been just a pressure to exclude human influence in their society, which is a social pressure, but Vizlet mentioned the death penalty to traitors so it must be something that happens, but why? What’s stopping the Yinglets of Val Salia from seceding from the conservative governing body and throwing in their lot with Ivenmoth as a whole? Especially if Ivenmoth comes up with a better result of educating yinglets than what has been shown. Kass may end up being a much bigger deal than she has intentions of being.
It seems that Soutlands will not be able to project the power to the Val Salia, so if enclave will refuse to submit (and if Ivenmoth would spare at least token effort in defending it) they would not be able to do anything.
However consider the following
a) Vizlet do not really trust Viracroix and humans. She grudgingly, slowly gives information about yinglets to Kass (and at least half of that information would be widely known by that time if enclaves was not so secretive – allmost all equivalent information about humans is freely availiable, and Vizlet knows it). If she was really willing to rely on Viracroix’ better nature she could feed all that information to the Ran himself. Instead she needs Kass whom she does not perceive as entirely human as a go-between.
b) Internal resistance – Patriarchs seems to be agreeable to Vizlet at the moment but that seems to flow less from active support and more from patriarchs adopting “not-my-business” attitude. Even Beizel may be Vizlet’s ally but is not a Vizlet’s creature and so can withdraw his support if he disagress with such drastic steps.
c) Reproductive isolation – even with their crazy multuple-fathers thing 6 females are not enough for long-term genetic variance. Enclaves\Elders actively promote genetic variance by shunting young females between enclaves. In case of independence Val Salian enclave would be in danger of inbreeding.
d) Desertion – in case of conflict between Elders end enclave at least some yings from enclave will inevitably abandon it, further reducing yingpower and genetic variability.
In short any attempt to proclaim independence seem to be ill-conceived. On the other hand it seems that at the moment enclave (whether because of it’s remoteness, or because of Vizlet) enjoys significant amount of de-facto independence. So there is no reason to upset order of the thing as far as I can see.
IMHO, the Elder Yinglets may be holding the recipe of “Healthy,Healthy Juice, and be close to immortal in Yinglet reckoning. The one time someone brought a sample outside, the Yinglet was “Disappeared” Immediately with the cover of a dog attack. Its the one thing that limits the power of any Yinglet, their own immediate mortality, and being in power means control of who gets access to the cure of that limitation. That would be a huge incentive to both be very conservative in the face of Human ingenuity, and for their keeping the masses dumb so as to not upset the power they hold. Certainly Kass sees her own mortality on the horizon, and it would be a strong temptation if someone said she could have a natural human lifespan, if not longer.
Val you good? It’s been a whole month, I’m just worried because you didn’t say anything since the last comic page and patreon.
Val wrote thaat on FA 4 days ago
“It’s an extra-big page this time”
So whatever it was (bad planning, artistic vision, some emergency), things are moving, Val didn’t disappear.
I think some of us are just concerned for his health and well being. He has some troubles with his hand or hands in the past. I’m sure people on here that read his comic wonder from time to time how he’s holding up. I know I do.
In light of that, I feel he can take all the time he needs.
Hope your ok
Hey! Hope most of us have clicked on Valsalia’s link to Deviant Art, and found the sister series to OOP, Learn To Live by UmbraScythe, and Scav’s Glory by StarstruckEchoid (of which Valsalia posted 3 days ago minimum). I really enjoy the time spent on and quality of both, especially Learn to Live, and if you haven’t checked them out, I recommend doing so highly if you like Yinglet comics (if you don’t then why are you here?) ^_^